This is not an issue for single-shot firearms, and the long bullet cleared the rifling in the pressure barrel and our T/C barrels. The.357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. The winchester representative claimed 2300 fps with a 150gr bullet out of a 20 inch barrel. My one friend was shooting 158jsp out of his as they shot very well. Browning should build a plant in Utah and make them there, as they own the rights to Winchester now. The 357 Max is generally considered to be less powerful that 35 Rem, but I don't know if you would see a difference in a 14" barrel. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. You can throw the entire reloading setup (minus powder and primers and bullets) into a cargo pocket. As they are harder to find, I switched to PPU 158 JHP with little change for sighting in. If its an American classic you want, the Winchester Model 1892 Carbine is about as classic as it gets. The last time I was at the range with my marlin in 45-70 all eyes were on meeveryone else shooting the newest AR/AK and here comes this doofus with a lever action thumper. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. The 2350 fps 150gr .30-30 is 1850 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Prefer .44 Mag to .357, but thats just me. Sorry, there are no results in your area. The furniture is high grade walnut, and the Deluxe Sporting model also features a 24-inch half octagon barrel and half rounded. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. Less than 100 days away now. If a Marlin 336 is a candidate for a successful rebarrel and chamber job in order to use 357 Maximum/Supermag cartridges. Used Savage 24V Series D 357 Rem Max / 20GA 2-3/4 or 3" shell,Top break action, Reciever is a case hardened finish. The Carbine model features a 10-round tube and a 20-inch barrel. They were discontinued for quite awhile and JMs were going for $1200 or more. That all depends on the powder youre burning. lets say it was well used and not maintained. It can really thump that shoulder. I specialize in Thompson Center barrels but also rechamber CVA, H&R, and the new Henry single shots in .357 Magnum to .357 Maximum, .350 Legend, and a number of other .35 caliber cartridges such as .35 Remington and .358/.356 Winchester. Max. A T/C Contender G2 or Encore makes a lot more since. I always liked the cowboy combo concept of carbine/sidearm same caliber and own lever actions in .44 mag. Yeah, that .357 lever gun is so irrelevant you cant find one anywhere. The Gun That Won The West. No turnstyle safety on top of the bolt to remove. The.357 Maximum, formally known as the.357 Remington Maximum or the.357 Max, is a super magnum handgun cartridge originally developed by Elgin Gates as the wildcat.357 SuperMag. No such thing as a perfect caliber, but .357 magnum and its sister the .357sig is about as close as one can get. A real plain looking carbine, but the thing shoots like a dream. All you have to do is search the net for, I survived a center-mass shot from a .357 magnum to see all the supporting evidence you need. Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. I agree. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?309518-Saddle-ring-carbines-How-do-you-use-the-ring. Most of our deer were harvested at 30-45 yards. .357 Maximum is a perfect starter gun for kids to learn and grow on. The easiest way to get a long gun in .357 Max is in a Handi Rifle and there is plenty written about them in the Max. It was almost daylight and I kept hearing something move around. Lube is easily made from beeswax and chassis grease. Max chambering. Maybe people will wake up and smell the coffee. Pistol caliber lever action rifles do make sense for benighted states, and are also still a lot of fun for the rest of us as well. The buyer should be picky. You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. Many people download it and get unburnt . NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . It packs or stows easily and are very difficult to find lately.
. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. I'd bet you well over 90 percent of all IHMSA ammo was loaded on the shooter's bench. 1 single-shot rifle in .357 Magnum, extra rifles without the CHP markings were offered through employee sales. get the Lee hand press. on January 02, 2020: Recently had mcCullough arms Valley Grand, Al.
Past 20, pressure drops off and so do velocities. by stretch Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:47 pm, Post Build a Ruger#1. I sold my 1980s Marlin 357 in 1996 for 450 to a guy who would not buy a new Marlin with a safety button. Instead of repeating all the details, Ill just post the link below. We were amazed at the penetration. being a good functional maximum charge with 180 gr. Designed to use popular handgun calibers, it allowed shooters to carry a single caliber of ammo. I dont live in big bear country. Designed to increase the range and pattern density of your favorite turkey gun. Optimize the potentials of the .357 MAGnum by long rethroating the factory chamber. If a customer takes possession of the firearm, Intrepid considers this acceptance of the condition, and will not offer a return. Or if you are willing to pay $1500-1,750 you get a Mikoru Japan made Winchester 92 Takedown rifle. Or, take advantage of facory .350 Legend ammo. Was a great gun.I wish someone should resurrect it. I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. Dies, a dipper set and some components and you are gtg. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Had a lousy day in the deer blind once, in my youth. The cartridge made its debut in 1983 in the Ruger New Model Blackhawk single-action revolver. And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. You can even shoot .38 Special for some of the easiest long gun plinking youll ever do. The 92 is a round-barrel model, with the metal bits in blued steel and the furniture in black walnut. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post You might find a few boxes at the Tulsa world gun show. A friend has suggested my neophyte inquiry might find assistance here: C2N14 because life is not energetic enough. by groschen1936 Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:28 pm, Post (Ret.) Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. The .357 Magnum cartridge is based upon Smith & Wesson's earlier .38 Special cartridge. 38 Special full metal jacket round will hit with the force of 189 pounds of pressure per square foot at a . MGM's chamber is perfect for the vast majority of hunters and target shooters! AS ALWAYS, START ABOUT 10% LOW AND WORK UP! Remington manufactured this impressive cartridge, and still produces new brass for handloaders on occasion. Also, at higher velocities, the bullet is able to realize a flatter trajectory meaning longer shots are possible. Brand: Winchester Firearms. Too bad Winchester lever guns arent still made in the USA. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. Here are the features to watch out for. Thanks to everyone for beginning my education about lever guns! I put a Wild West trigger on the 336, and its great, but that puts the Marlin price right up there with Henry. Fully agree with this. My lever lust may remain unquenched. Yes, it was an easy one to fill the bill with. The .357 Maximum was initially chambered in the Ruger Blackhawk in 1983 and was for a time adopted by other handgun manufactures. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. My factory Maxi is a 1982 also. Good thought though. Suppessor equiped lever guns with Subsonic plinker ammo are a hoot to shoot. And if even a Henry is a little rich for your blood, Rossi makes perfectly serviceable pistol-caliber levers that retail in the mid-$500s. It lacks a top-mounted rail (you can still install one, the receiver is pre-tapped). The chronograph results show it is identical to the 35 Remington. by Chris83716 Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:35 pm, Post 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? Not even a Rossi(saw a trick shot dude on a video whos main gun was a Rossi). While the cartridge produces around 1200 ft/lbs of energy, which is more than a .44 Magnum, it also has less recoil. Carbine length One example would be the Savage Model 24 combination rifle/shotgun. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. I still have a safe full of ARs, but thinking this Marlin is going to be seeing a lot more range time than they will. Best to have at least one, in your favorite caliber, in the collection. My current 357 carbine is a Marlin 94 from 1998. Ha! The werent lever actions. I might have to take that to the range next time and see what happens. GunBroker.com Forums. im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. Here's the 357 Maximum story: Back in the 1980's there was a silhouette competition for pistols out to 200 yards. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. They both have Constitutional carry! Apples should be in pie. Optimum overall rifle performance is 2300 to 2400 fps with 180 gr. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The revolvers that were built in this caliber are rare, and consistently go for a premium over other Ruger Blackhawks. But that being said, your S&W 8 shot Revolver is a nice pistol. But stoke it up and hear that little dog bark like a big dog! rounds border on simply dumb when the .357 Maximum is so much more accurate and easier to shoot accurately with its moderate recoil. @ Ed Palumbo. Why? Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 20 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 12 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Benelli-beretta 12 Ga. Uberti 1873 Cattleman NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550), Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16" Lever Action 357 Mag - NIB, 200 Round Case Underwood Ammunition .38 Special 100gr. Industry specs call out a 158-grain bullet at a velocity of 1,800 fps and a 180-grain bullet at 1,530 fps, both from a 10.5-inch vented test barrel. The results are: . Most 357 mag guns are 16" barrels and some are 20 inch. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. I'm chasing accuracy not top speed. Would love a new one, in particular one of the Henry brand as the finishes are absolutely beautiful. Returns MUST be left with the transferring dealer. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:36 pm, Post Last time I went hunting. As a reloader, I will say that I have affection for the ease of use/reuse of straight walled cartridges and, thus, am a bit more fond of 10mm but, .357 sig certainly has merit. The resulting airspace does no good. The .35 Remington case is basically a .308 Winchester (but slightly narrower and shorter) with a .358" diameter bullet stuffed into it. . But alas. .357 Magnum Rifle (Hodgdon Data) reloading data with 102 loads. |regenC|MC Set || Li Mc HIT || || LP Mc HIT ||, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. First off, a .357 lever is almost as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. You have entered an incorrect email address! Many would consider it a good deer cartridge, but when used in a handgun, it would be rather marginal for that purpose. Made in 1983, serial 600-02396 has a 10.5-inch barrel, blade front sight, adjustable rear sight, transfer bar and wood grips. Seems like whenever Ive had the funds, none have been available, and when Im broke, there everywhere. Velocities can exceed 2,000 fps in a 14-inch barrel, and that could make a hollowpoint bullet intended for .357 Magnum velocities behave like a varmint bullet. .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. 357/38 is the one of the easiest. Most reloading die manufacturers can supply this accessory for your current dies set. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. Ruger developed a Blackhawk specifically for the cartridge, but word of barrel erosion and "flame cutting" came to light quickly and production of the revolver was ceased with only about 400 produced. Citadel Levtac-92 .357 Magnum Tactical-Lever! Loading your own was a matter of economic necessity for most of us, and wildcatting was very common. Slower burning powders will enjoy a longer barrel more than faster burning powders. Cold hammer-forged barrel results in ultra-precise rifling that provides exceptional accuracy and longevity. Read Their Fine Print!! Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. Give a Gift
Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. Although some may not find this particular gun relevant, I think there are lots of pluses. The .357 Atomic was just a .357 loaded to higher than standard pressures. Great rifle and never have had an issue, shooting with 8 grains of unique with 225 grn semi wadcutters. I now have the Ruger gp100-7. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. The .357 Maximum was developed in the early 80's by Ruger and Remington Arms as a silhouette cartridge for the Blackhawk revolver. Max., Those who own firearms in this chambering load their own custom ammunition. Granted, it comes rather dear at $1,214 MSRP, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, you should be able to pick it up for much less. I much prefer .30 caliber bullets in any of those platforms. Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. For sale I have a Harrington & Richardson (H&R) model 158 rifle in .357 Maximum. Guns can be fun. I was shocked when I found out. The tactikewl timmys that see all rifles as ARs are missing the point. If the .35 Rem is legal where you're at, and you're wanting to build a bolt-action, I would probably go that route, as brass and ammo is much easier found than .357 Maximum brass and load data. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. Through my industry connections, I heard plenty of finger-pointing about metallurgy and propellant choices, but the ultimate outcome was that the revolver market for this cartridge simply dried up. by elmo123 Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:11 pm, Post I haven't dismissed the idea but I'll research the best rate-of-twist for it. But what if we wanted the right bullet for the occasional hyena, baboon, wallaby or racoon, say a 180-220 grain soft bullet propelled along at about 1200 feet per second? Of the 32 models of 357 lever gun they offer, there are precisely zero units currently available for sale. Everybody wanted to get their hands on my lever-action .30-30, and nobody who shot it was disappointed. The .357 and .45 Colt are best at bowhunting distances inside 50 yards. Second, they take ordinary .357 ammo and produce ballistics youd hardly believe. They tried fixing it with a (I think it was either titanium or stainless steel insert) but the Jeanie was already out of the bottle and they were dropped. Remington is the only manufacturer of brass for this caliber, but Hornady, Speer, Sierra, Remington, Winchester, and several other manufacturers make bullets that work well for the cartridge. The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. Rechamber to .350 Legend from .357 Magnum or .357 Maximum: Add $25 to mill/convert the extractor for the rebated rimless .350 Legendcase rim. The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. Go to the Contact page for shipping information: For Remington .357 Maximum brass and Thompson Center "G2" Contender .357 Magnum 12" barrels rechambered to .357 Rem. Im glad I was able to get what I needed for the time being. Cloudbuster Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! Hodgdon starting load for the 140 gr. I admit that these articles about .357s have me thinking What the hell? Dan Wesson guns had easily-replaceable barrels and came with an extra in .357 Maximum. Maximum, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. Check out ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html and ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html. . And yes the price has been driven up on them, in the used market in the last 10, 15 years or so, especially the ones with no factory additional safetys, other than the half cock position of the hammers, such as the older Winchester and Marlin 94s. Just ask! Good time to start getting ready for the next ammo drought. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm, Post I don't think it is possible due to OAL differences. If I didnt have to deal with CAs onerous gun registration laws, Id otherwise be glad to offer someone one of my Glock/AR sets for a .357 Mag revolver + rifle. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames. While I do want one in .357 for ammo sharing with my handguns Id be open to one in .327 Federal as well. If you want to. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. Here is a link to an article that may answer some questions. I really am not trying to get a caliber war started but, I think the .357 mag is about the perfect handgun round. It really boils down to max distance, drop, and how much the bullets . Lil Gun is proving to be one of the very best powders for maximum performance in any barrel length, while AA-1680 is still gaining a little more speed per inch in 24 barrels. It brings the 38+p up to mid-range 357 revolver ballistics (~1250). Now Rechambering Henry Single Shot .357 Magnum Rifles! Seldom has any new gun/ new cartridge combination failed so quickly.Ruger's long-framed Blackhawk was first to market in two barrel lengths. $150 if you take the simple route leaving the Henry forend on, (This for the extra handling and care packaging to protect the wood finish.). Thats what the saddle ring designs were for. Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. But the tyrants have publicly said they hate repeating firearms. JM Browning did design a lot of the Winchester lever action rifles. Buy in stock Contender and Encore barrels for immediate shipment or have them custom build your barrel in 4-6 weeks! Nicks and marks from use in wood and finish. Just, reading the article reminded me about it. I think a lot of it is people who do not come from a hunting background and just want to look cool. In those area, they cant legally own an AR, AK, etc. I can (for now) legally own an AR, and do. Max. those .357s out of a 20 inch barrel will just bounce off the bad guys chest, I tell ya!!!!!!! Fortunately I do have lever guns in .22, .44 and 30-30 so Im not that upset. A max charge of 27.0 grains posted roughly 1,875 fps with the Speer 180-grain .35 Remington bullet and shot under 1 MOA in my 14-inch Contender. Gun Genius. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns, Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway, Rossi Model 92 357 Mag, Case Color Receiver. Notify Me When Available. Using bullets from Hornady XTP, Nosler JFP, LSWC, Sierra JHC, Nosler Part. In Stock. Even my Walmart has 30-30 ammo now. Free shipping for many products! Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. I just checked Davidsons, my primary national wholesaler. For them a pistol caliber Lever carbine makes a lot of sense. There is a lot of muzzle flash with the Maximum. Features Sig Hard casing (2) Additonal 12 Round mag European American Armory, Windicator, Medium Frame, 357 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Steel Frame, Nickel Finish, Rubber Grips, Fixed Sights, 6Rd. It came back looking like new. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:44 pm, Post If you want to shoot .357 Magnum and .38 Special ammo, just long throat the factory chamber! I saw your reference to benighted states and then AR, AK. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close(r) range, inside about 150 yards. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. Not everything has to be tactically sound. A hollow-point 357 magnum bullet combines maximum weight retention and terminal expansion to provide threat-stopping power . With straight-walled cartridges, you dont need a dedicated space.
by Griff Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:22 pm, Post I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. The comparisons have all included .357 magnum pistol velocities though. The Henry Big Boy Steel is a great option, too. It appears to be a rimless 357 Maximum. Pricey, but they take down to a package about 20 inches long without sacrificing accuracy and are very well made. Thanks for reading! No box or papers.
Similar to the Critter You Are Hunting Effect. Here are links for the articles Ive posted over the years; enjoy! That 2000 fps 357 mag load is 1100 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. I have one with the turnstile safety. They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. The most common include: Ruger Blackhawk Dan Wesson Model 40 In bolt action or semi auto, I would choose the 350. . I always assumed it was so you didnt lose your rifle when making a Sabre charge and hauling ass on your horse. Bagged in plastic, clean, and well oiled. Shop online for discount .357 Remington Max ammunition from top ammo brands like Remington, Federal, Winchester, Hornady, CCI, Speer, and many more. Show Only Guns
Lil Gun starting at 26 grains and worked up to as much as 30 grains gives top velocities in 24 barrels and good velocities in shorter barrels. Id tend to agree with you. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. Personally I like Blue Dot, and Bullseye for plinking rounds. But it was attached to the saddle..which was (hopefully) attached to the horse. Do the same during Deer Season, and all the critters have suddenly developed a deep phobia of open meadows you can see from far off. The amount of money, time and effort and the increased lever throw places a 357 Maximum lever gun so far down my list that it will never happen for me. It too feeds with no problems but is more work to make. Nostalgia isnt relevance. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. The last time I sent a gun off for some work was a chiappa revolver 2 years ago. I have become a fan. The .357 Rem. Depending on how hot the load is. Finding ammo can be tough for any caliber these days, but if youve already got a stash of .38 and .357 for your handguns, youve already got that covered.
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